Nicolette: 0:01

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Mark: 0:24

Welcome everyone. Today we are doing a deep dive into sarcoidosis. We've got a bunch of articles we've gone through and we're going to try to give you a clear picture of what exactly sarcoidosis is, how it can impact your body. We're specifically going to look at the metabolic and immune system interactions that are kind of at play with this disease and then also just navigate you know, the complexities of diagnosis, risk factors and then also the different treatment approaches.

Rachel: 0:55

Yeah.

Mark: 0:55

We really want to give you like a solid foundation about this condition, without like overwhelming you with a ton of detail.

Rachel: 1:02

Yeah.

Mark: 1:04

So maybe a good place to start is like what exactly is sarcoidosis?

Rachel: 1:08

Yeah, sarcoidosis is considered a multi-stem inclamatory disease.

Mark: 1:12

Okay.

Rachel: 1:12

And it's a condition that really stems from a dysregulated immune response.

Mark: 1:17

Okay, an aberrant, immune response. So what does that actually mean? Like what's happening in the body.

Rachel: 1:23

Well, what happens is that this immune dysregulation leads to the formation of these small clusters of inflammatory cells that we call granulomas.

Mark: 1:32

Okay.

Rachel: 1:33

Now these granulomas? They can form in any organ system, but they're most commonly found in the lungs and lymph nodes.

Mark: 1:39

Okay. So it seems like from the articles that we've been going through, that sarcoidosis kind of has like a variable course.

Rachel: 1:46

Yeah, absolutely. Sarcoidosis is really interesting because it can present in different ways.

Mark: 1:50

Okay.

Rachel: 1:50

For some people it might appear suddenly and then resolve very quickly on its own, okay, or maybe with a little treatment, but then for others it can become a long-term or chronic condition.

Mark: 1:59

Gotcha.

Rachel: 2:00

And that can cause lasting damage to those organs where the gramulomas form. And that can cause lasting damage to those organs where the gramulomas form.

Mark: 2:04

Okay, so it sounds like you're saying that it can be either acute or chronic.

Rachel: 2:08

Yeah, exactly. And what makes it even trickier is that sometimes the early stages of sarcoidosis can have no symptoms at all.

Mark: 2:14

Oh, wow.

Rachel: 2:15

Which can make it really hard to diagnose.

Mark: 2:17

Yeah. So if there aren't always clear signs in the beginning, what are some of the things that might first clue someone in that something's not quite right?

Rachel: 2:25

Well, a lot of times, the first noticeable symptoms are related to the lungs.

Mark: 2:29

Okay.

Rachel: 2:29

Because, like we said, that's where farquidosis often shows up first. So someone might start having a cough that just won't go away, okay, or they might feel short of breath, especially when they're active. Those are usually some of the first signs that something might be off. So it sounds like it's not always like a sudden onset. It can kind of creep up on you a little bit. Yeah, definitely it can be subtle at first, which is why it's important to pay attention to those early signs, but the information that we've looked at also suggests that it's not just the respiratory system, right?

Rachel: 2:57

Right, because sarcoidosis involves this systemic inflammation and kind of a shift in immune responses, it can definitely have effects beyond just the lungs. Some individuals, for example, experience unexplained weight loss. Okay, and that's thought to be tied to the metabolic changes happening because of the inflammation Interesting, and then more generally, people often report feeling fatigued and just overall unwell, kind of a malaise.

Mark: 3:22

Okay, so let's talk a little bit more about those early symptoms.

Rachel: 3:25

Okay.

Mark: 3:25

Because we've talked about how they can be subtle and kind of insidious in their onset.

Rachel: 3:29

Right.

Mark: 3:30

What are some of the things that people should kind of be aware of that might indicate early stages of sarcoidosis?

Rachel: 3:36

Well, one of the most common and early complaints is fatigue. People describe feeling really tired and weak, and it's not the kind of tiredness that goes away after a good night's sleep. It's more of a deep exhaustion that really impacts their daily life, and this is likely due to the body constantly dealing with inflammation and the changes in the immune system.

Mark: 3:58

Yeah, makes sense. You also mentioned some respiratory symptoms. Can you talk about those a little bit more, the ones that specifically affect the lungs?

Rachel: 4:06

Yeah, so a very common symptom is a persistent cough, and this cough is often different from a regular cold or flu cough because it doesn't get better with typical cough medicine. That's because the cough is caused by inflammation in the lung tissue itself. Along with the cough, some people also experience shortness of breath, right, it's like their lungs aren't working as efficiently as they should be.

Mark: 4:28

Mm-hmm, and you mentioned earlier non-respiratory symptoms, and one that stood out was unexplained weight loss.

Rachel: 4:34

Yeah.

Mark: 4:35

What are the potential explanations for why that might be happening?

Rachel: 4:39

Well, it's probably a combination of things. Right? Probably a combination of things. The chronic inflammation that comes with sarcoidosis can mess with the body's metabolism, which can lead to changes in how your body uses energy.

Mark: 4:50

OK.

Rachel: 4:51

On top of that, when you're not feeling well in general, your appetite can decrease.

Mark: 4:55

Right. So these things together can lead to unintentional weight loss. It sounds like sarcoidosis really does affect the body in a lot of ways.

Rachel: 5:03

It does.

Mark: 5:04

We also read specifically about pulmonary sarcoidosis. Are there particular symptoms associated with that?

Rachel: 5:09

Yeah, so pulmonary sarcoidosis basically means sarcoidosis that primarily affects the lungs.

Mark: 5:14

Okay.

Rachel: 5:15

The symptoms we already talked about, like cough and shortness of breath, are definitely part of it, but in addition to that, people might experience chest pain and sometimes even wheezing.

Mark: 5:24

Okay to that.

Rachel: 5:24

people might experience chest pain and sometimes even wheezing, and it's important to note that a really serious potential complication is something called pulmonary fibrosis. This is where the lung tissue becomes scarred and stiff and over time this can make it very difficult to breathe.

Mark: 5:39

So it's a really serious condition that needs to be taken seriously and managed properly.

Rachel: 5:43

Absolutely, and the earlier you can catch it and start treatment, the better.

Mark: 5:46

Absolutely Okay. Well, let's move on to the causes Now. The research suggests that the exact cause of sarcoidosis is still unknown.

Rachel: 5:54

Yeah, that's right. Even though scientists have been studying it for a long time, they haven't been able to pinpoint exactly what triggers it.

Mark: 6:01

Okay.

Rachel: 6:02

It's a bit of a mystery still.

Mark: 6:03

Yeah, so what do we know so far about what might be involved?

Rachel: 6:06

Well, we know that it has to do with the immune system. It seems like the body's immune system overreacts to something, possibly some kind of foreign substance or antigen, and this triggers the inflammation and the formation of those granulomas.

Mark: 6:20

Okay, but we don't know what that trigger is.

Rachel: 6:22

No, that's still the big question mark. Okay, the sources also point to a potential genetic component? Yeah, genetics definitely seems to play a role. Okay, we see that sarcoidosis is more common in certain families, suggesting that there might be some genes that make people more susceptible to it.

Mark: 6:40

Okay, so it's more likely to occur if someone in your family has had it.

Rachel: 6:43

Exactly, and we also see higher rates of sarcoidosis in certain ethnic groups, particularly people of African and Scandinavian descent. This further supports the idea that genetics are involved.

Mark: 6:55

So genetics are part of the picture, but it sounds like it's not just about genes. What about environmental and occupational factors?

Rachel: 7:02

Right. The environment and a person's job can also play a role. Okay, researchers are looking into whether exposure to certain things in the environment, like bacteria, viruses, dust, mold or even chemicals Wow Could be potential triggers for sarcoidosis, especially in people who are already genetically predisposed.

Mark: 7:21

So it could be that some people have a genetic predisposition and then exposure to certain environmental factors kind of tips the scales and triggers the disease.

Rachel: 7:30

Exactly. It seems like it's a combination of factors that leads to sarcoidosis.

Mark: 7:35

Okay, so it sounds like there's still a lot to learn about what causes sarcoidosis.

Rachel: 7:39

Absolutely. It's a complex disease with a lot of unanswered questions.

Mark: 7:42

Yeah, but the research is ongoing and hopefully I'll have more answers in the future. Okay, let's move on to diagnosis. So how do doctors actually diagnose sarcoidosis?

Rachel: 7:52

Well, it can be a little tricky because, like we've talked about, the symptoms can be pretty vague and they overlap with a lot of other conditions. So doctors need to be really thorough in their evaluation.

Mark: 8:01

Okay, so what are some of the first steps they take?

Rachel: 8:04

Well, usually they'll start with a physical exam and get a detailed medical history.

Mark: 8:08

Okay.

Rachel: 8:08

Then they'll likely order some tests like a chest x-ray.

Mark: 8:12

Oh, okay, so imaging is part of it.

Rachel: 8:14

Yeah, a chest x-ray can show if there's any enlargement of the lymph nodes in the chest or any abnormalities in the lungs themselves.

Mark: 8:22

Okay, but the x-ray alone can't definitively diagnose sarcoidosis.

Rachel: 8:26

No, it can't give some clues, but it's not enough to make a firm diagnosis.

Mark: 8:30

Okay, so what happens next?

Rachel: 8:32

The most important test for diagnosing sarcoidosis is a biopsy.

Mark: 8:36

Okay.

Rachel: 8:37

That means taking a small sample of tissue from the affected organ.

Mark: 8:41

Okay.

Rachel: 8:41

Most often the lungs, lymph nodes or skin Gotcha and examining it under a microscope.

Mark: 8:46

Okay.

Rachel: 8:47

If they see those characteristic ranulomas, then that confirms the diagnosis.

Mark: 8:51

So that's the gold standard. The biopsy Exactly.

Rachel: 8:54

It's the most reliable way to confirm sarcoidosis.

Mark: 8:57

Okay. Are there any blood tests that can be helpful in the diagnostic process?

Rachel: 9:01

Yeah, there are some blood tests that can provide supporting evidence. Some people with sarcoidosis have elevated levels of calcium in their blood, and that can be a clue. Another marker that doctors often check is something called ACE.

Mark: 9:14

ACE.

Rachel: 9:15

Yeah, it stands for angiotensin converting enzyme.

Mark: 9:18

Okay.

Rachel: 9:19

It's an enzyme that's often elevated in people with active sarcoidosis.

Mark: 9:22

Okay.

Rachel: 9:23

But again, these blood tests aren't specific to sarcoidosis, so they have to be considered along with all the other findings.

Mark: 9:29

So it sounds like it's a multifaceted process to diagnose sarcoidosis.

Rachel: 9:33

Yeah, it's not a simple diagnosis. It involves a lot of careful evaluation and consideration of all the different pieces of the puzzle.

Mark: 9:41

Okay. So now that we've talked about how sarcoidosis is diagnosed, let's move on to risk factors.

Rachel: 9:45

Okay.

Mark: 9:45

Who's most at risk for developing this condition?

Rachel: 9:48

Well, age is one factor. Sarcoidosis tends to be more common in younger adults.

Mark: 9:54

Okay, and what age range are we talking about?

Rachel: 9:57

Usually between the ages of 20 and 40, but it can occur at any age. We also know that race plays a role, and we touched on this earlier. African-americans and people of Scandinavian descent have a higher risk compared to other ethnic groups.

Mark: 10:12

And that goes back to that potential genetic component that we were talking about.

Rachel: 10:15

Exactly. It seems like certain genetic factors might make those groups more susceptible.

Mark: 10:21

The research also points to a familial risk. Right, yeah, definitely.

Rachel: 10:25

If you have a close relative like a parent, sibling or child with sarcoidosis, your chances of developing it are higher than someone with no family history.

Mark: 10:35

So family history is an important factor to consider.

Rachel: 10:38

Absolutely. It's something doctors will always ask about.

Mark: 10:41

Okay, and lastly, let's talk about the environmental and occupational risks.

Rachel: 10:44

Okay.

Mark: 10:45

What kinds of exposures could potentially increase someone's risk?

Rachel: 10:49

Well, we don't have all the answers yet, but researchers are investigating a number of things. Exposure to certain types of dust, like silica dust or wood dust, is being looked at, as well as exposure to mold, certain bacteria and even some chemicals.

Mark: 11:04

So certain occupations might carry a higher risk then yeah, that's possible.

Rachel: 11:08

Jobs where people are exposed to those kinds of things, like construction workers, firefighters, farmers might have a slightly higher risk.

Mark: 11:16

Okay, so it seems like the risk of developing sarcoidosis is a complex interplay of genetics, age, race and environmental factors.

Rachel: 11:24

Exactly. It's not just one thing, it's a combination of multiple factors that contribute to the risk.

Mark: 11:30

Okay, well, let's talk about treatment now. What are some of the current approaches to managing sarcoidosis?

Rachel: 11:36

Well, the treatment really depends on how severe the sarcoidosis is and which organs are affected, but in general, the goals of treatment are to reduce inflammation, control symptoms and prevent long-term damage to the organs.

Mark: 11:50

Okay, so it's all about managing those symptoms or protecting those organs from further damage.

Rachel: 11:54

Exactly Now for people with mild sarcoidosis. Sometimes no treatment is necessary.

Mark: 11:59

Oh really.

Rachel: 12:00

Yeah, Sometimes the condition goes away on its own or it might not cause any significant problems.

Mark: 12:06

So observation is sometimes an option.

Rachel: 12:09

Right. But for those who do need treatment, medications are often the first line of defense.

Mark: 12:13

Okay, and what are some of the most common medications used?

Rachel: 12:17

Well, corticosteroids are usually the go-to medication.

Mark: 12:20

Corticosteroids Okay.

Rachel: 12:21

They're really effective at reducing inflammation and they can help improve symptoms pretty quickly.

Mark: 12:26

Okay, but I know that corticosteroids can have some side effects.

Rachel: 12:30

Yeah, that's true. They can cause things like weight gain, mood swings, bone thinning and an increased risk of infections.

Mark: 12:35

Okay, so they have to be used carefully.

Rachel: 12:37

Exactly. Doctors try to prescribe the lowest effective dose for the shortest amount of time to minimize those risks.

Mark: 12:43

Mm-hmm. Are there any other medications besides corticosteroids that are used for sarcoidosis?

Rachel: 12:52

Yeah, if corticosteroids that are used for sarcoidosis. Yeah, if corticosteroids don't work well enough or if someone can't tolerate them, doctors might prescribe other medications that suppress the immune system.

Mark: 12:58

Okay, so they're kind of damning that overactive immune response that we've been talking about Exactly.

Rachel: 13:03

Some of these medications include methotrexate, azithioprine and methofenolate mofetol. They can be helpful in controlling the inflammation and preventing organ damage.

Mark: 13:13

Okay, so meditations are a big part of treatment.

Rachel: 13:16

Yeah, but lifestyle modifications are also important. Right Things like eating a healthy diet, getting regular exercise, quitting smoking and managing stress can all help.

Mark: 13:25

So it's about supporting your overall health and well-being.

Rachel: 13:28

Exactly.

Mark: 13:29

Are there any specific dietary recommendations for people with sarcoidosis?

Rachel: 13:32

Well, there's no one-size-fits-all diet, but a balanced diet that's rich in fruits, vegetables and whole grains is generally a good idea.

Mark: 13:40

Okay, so just a healthy, well-rounded diet.

Rachel: 13:43

Right, and some people with sarcoidosis might need to limit their calcium intake.

Mark: 13:47

Okay.

Rachel: 13:47

Especially if they have high levels of calcium in their blood. Calcium intake, especially if they have high levels of calcium in their blood. Gotcha, but that's something they should discuss with their doctor.

Mark: 13:53

So it's really important to have that open communication with your doctor.

Rachel: 13:56

Absolutely. It's key to managing sarcoidosis effectively.

Mark: 14:00

Okay, so we've covered a lot of ground here.

Rachel: 14:02

Yeah, we've gone through a lot.

Mark: 14:03

We've talked about what sarcoidosis is, the symptoms, the potential causes, how it's diagnosed, risk factors and the various treatment options.

Rachel: 14:11

Yep.

Mark: 14:11

Just to kind of sum it all up, can you give us a quick recap of the key takeaways?

Rachel: 14:15

Sure. So. Sarcoidosis is a multisystem inflammatory disease that's characterized by the formation of granulomas, which are these cluster of immune cells. It most commonly affects the lungs and lymph nodes Right, but it can affect any organ in the body. The exact cause is still unknown, but we think it's a combination of genetic and environmental factors. Diagnosis involves a variety of tests, including imaging, blood work and, most importantly, a biopsy to confirm the presence of granulomas. Treatment depends on the severity and location of the disease, but often includes medications like corticosteroids, other immunosuppressants and lifestyle changes to support overall health.

Mark: 14:59

OK, that's a really good overview.

Rachel: 15:01

Yeah, hopefully it gives people a better understanding of this complex condition.

Mark: 15:04

Yeah, absolutely. And just to leave our listeners with something to think about, I have a question. Ok, given all the unknowns that still surround sarcoidosis, the fact that we don't know exactly what causes it Right, and the fact that it can manifest in so many different ways, what do you think future research should focus on?

Rachel: 15:24

That's a great question. Yeah, I think one of the biggest priorities should be to identify those specific triggers that set off the immune system. If we can figure out what causes those granulomas to form in the first place, we might be able to develop more targeted treatments and even prevention strategies.

Mark: 15:44

Yeah, that makes sense, and maybe even ways to predict who's most at risk.

Rachel: 15:48

Exactly.

Mark: 15:48

So we can intervene early and potentially prevent the disease from developing in the first place.

Rachel: 15:53

Absolutely, and another important area of research is personalized medicine.

Mark: 15:57

Okay.

Rachel: 15:57

You know, right now we kind of have a one size fits all approach to treatment, but sarcoidosis affects people so differently.

Mark: 16:03

Right.

Rachel: 16:04

We need to develop ways to tailor treatment to each individual, based on their specific symptoms, their genetics and their environmental exposures.

Mark: 16:12

So really taking a more individualized approach to treatment?

Rachel: 16:14

Exactly that's where, I think, the future of sarcoidosis research lies.

Mark: 16:18

Yeah, well, that's definitely food for thought.

Rachel: 16:20

I hope so.

Mark: 16:20

Thanks for sharing your insights today.

Rachel: 16:22

My pleasure.

Mark: 16:23

And thank you to our listeners for joining us on this deep dive into sarcoidosis. We hope you found it informative and engaging.

Rachel: 16:29

Yeah, sarcoidosis. We hope you found it informative and engaging.

Mark: 16:30

Yeah, thanks for listening, until next time, stay curious.

Nicolette: 16:36

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