Nicolette: 0:01

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Mark: 0:24

All right, so you've sent us some information on this condition called amyloidosis. Looks like some pretty fascinating stuff, even if it's a little well obscure, maybe.

Rachel: 0:35

Definitely fascinating and, yeah, maybe not a household name, but it gets right to the heart of how our bodies handle well, proteins, really, and that's what we're going to dive into today for you.

Mark: 0:46

Yeah, it seems like a pretty fundamental breakdown at the cellular level, from what I've seen.

Rachel: 0:50

Exactly, it's a misfolding crisis, really at that level. Imagine the proteins in your body. They're like these amazingly intricate origami structures right, and every fold is essential to how they work. But with amyloidosis it's like the origami goes wrong and you end up with these abnormal proteins, amyloid, that just won't dissolve. And the thing is, these misfolded proteins, they can't be broken down by the body's usual cleanup crew.

Mark: 1:13

So they just kind of get stuck like jamming up the works.

Rachel: 1:16

Yeah, that's a good way to picture it. And the more of these amyloid deposits build up in your organs, tissues, your heart, kidneys, liver, even nerves, the worse it gets. They start interfering with how everything works and that's where the symptoms come in, and if you don't catch it early, it can cause some serious damage.

Mark: 1:34

Yeah, one of the sources mentioned that even though it's not cancer, it can be just as dangerous if it's not treated.

Rachel: 1:39

Absolutely, that's a crucial point. Early diagnosis and treatment are key to preventing that kind of damage.

Mark: 1:45

Speaking of diagnosis.

Rachel: 1:47

Yeah.

Mark: 1:47

It seems like it can be pretty tricky to spot early on, right, the symptoms are kind of subtle.

Rachel: 1:52

from what I've read, Right, that's one of the biggest challenges. Early symptoms like feeling more tired than usual, getting out of breath easily, some swelling or just feeling full really fast those can be really easy to miss or mistake for something else.

Mark: 2:07

Yeah, I can see how I could get confused with, just you know, getting older or something.

Rachel: 2:11

Exactly, and that's what makes early diagnosis so difficult.

Mark: 2:15

But the good news is, if you do catch it early, treatment can make a huge difference, right.

Rachel: 2:20

Absolutely. When you identify early you can start interventions to well slow down or even stop that amyloid buildup and that helps protect your organs and gives you a much better prognosis.

Mark: 2:30

So what we're aiming to do today is give you a good overview of what amyloidosis is, what the warning signs are and why it's so important to know about this stuff. Sounds good. Sounds good to me, Okay, great. So let's start with the basics. What's actually happening at the cellular level in amyloidosis?

Rachel: 2:46

Like we said, it all comes down to this protein misfolding. Usually, proteins fold into these very specific three-dimensional shapes and those shapes determine what they do. It's like a lock and key. You know, the protein's shape is the key that fits into a specific lock to carry out its function, I see. But in amyloidosis something goes wrong in that folding process and you get these abnormal proteins that are well sticky and insoluble, and then these misfolded proteins. They start to clump together and form these long thread-like structures called amyloid fibrils, and those are what build up and cause the damage in your organs and tissues.

Mark: 3:23

So it's not just like individual bad proteins floating around, it's these whole clumps of them, right.

Rachel: 3:27

Exactly, and because they don't dissolve, the body has a really hard time getting rid of them. They just keep accumulating and disrupting the normal structure and function of your organs. It's like one of your sources said it's not cancer, but it can be just as bad if it's not taken care of.

Mark: 3:42

OK, so we've got the basic idea. Now it seems like there are different types of amyloidosis, right?

Rachel: 3:47

Right, we can classify them based on which protein is misfolding. Your sources highlight three main types to focus on.

Mark: 3:55

Perfect, let's break those down then. What are they?

Rachel: 3:58

So first up we have AL amyloidosis, which stands for amyloid light chain. This one's connected to your bone marrow. What happens is your bone marrow starts making too many of these abnormal light chains. Those are parts of antibodies you know, the things that help your immune system fight off infections but these abnormal ones. They're prone to misfolding and creating those amyloid deposits all over the body. This is actually the most common type of amyloidosis.

Mark: 4:28

Oh, interesting.

Rachel: 4:29

So it's like a problem in the immune system's factory that ends up causing problems everywhere else Exactly Now. The second type is ATTR amyloidosis that's short for transtheratin amyloidosis. Transtheratin is a protein that's mostly made in the liver and its job is to transport thyroid hormone and retinol. But in ATTR amyloidosis this transtheratin becomes unstable and starts to misfold. It can be hereditary, meaning it's caused by a genetic mutation, or it can be non-hereditary, which is sometimes called senile systemic amyloidosis. That one's more common in older men, and it happens when the transtheratin that's normally produced just becomes more likely to misfold as you age.

Mark: 5:05

Makes sense, yeah, so even a protein with a completely different job, made in a different organ, can cause these amyloid deposits.

Nicolette: 5:11

Right.

Mark: 5:11

And it's interesting how age can play a role, even without a genetic mutation.

Rachel: 5:15

Exactly. It just goes to show that protein stability can be affected by all sorts of things. And that brings us to the third type, hereditary amyloidosis, as the name suggests. This one's caused by genetic mutations that you inherit from your parents. These mutations affect the genes that tell your body how to make certain proteins, and those proteins are more likely to misfold. So if you inherit one of these mutations, your risk of developing amyloidosis goes up.

Mark: 5:41

And I remember reading that certain ethnic groups are more likely to have specific mutations, like people of Portuguese, swedish or African-American descent.

Rachel: 5:49

That's right. It shows how genetics can play a role in which organs are affected by amyloidosis. Now, while AL, attr and hereditary are the main types, there are some less common forms out there too.

Mark: 6:02

Okay, good to know. So we've got the different types, but what actually triggers this misfolding in the first place, and who's most at risk?

Rachel: 6:09

So the root of the problem is always an error in the protein folding process. Instead of ending up with the correct three-dimensional shape, they get this abnormal conformation that makes them sticky and insoluble.

Mark: 6:21

Like a domino effect at the molecular level. Huh.

Rachel: 6:23

Yeah, that's a great way to put it. Now, when it comes to risk factors, we see a combination of genetics and environmental influences. With hereditary amyloidosis, the genetic link is pretty clear cut.

Mark: 6:35

Makes sense.

Rachel: 6:35

But even with AL amyloidosis, which isn't directly inherited, there's a strong connection to plasma cell disorders like multiple myeloma. These conditions cause an overproduction of abnormal light chains, which increases the chances of misfolding.

Mark: 6:49

So genetics can either directly cause the misfolding or make you more likely to develop a condition that leads to it.

Rachel: 6:55

Exactly and like we talked about with ATTR, both inherited mutations and age-related changes in protein stability can play a role. Age in general is a big risk factor for many types of amyloidosis. Most diagnoses happen in people over 60. We don't know exactly why that is, but it's possible that the body's systems for controlling protein quality become less efficient with age. Then you've got chronic inflammatory conditions like rheumatoid arthritis or long-term infections like tuberculosis. Those can sometimes lead to something called AA amyloidosis or secondary amyloidosis. In this case, the amyloid protein comes from serum amyloid A, a protein involved in inflammation.

Mark: 7:35

So it's this complex mix of our genes and the things our bodies go through over time. Huh.

Rachel: 7:39

Absolutely. It's a delicate balance and, while these risk factors help identify who might be more susceptible, it's important to remember that amyloidosis is still relatively rare overall.

Mark: 7:50

All right. So we've talked about what it is and why it happens. Now, how does amyloidosis actually show up? What are the signs and symptoms that someone should be looking out for?

Rachel: 8:00

Well, that's where things get tricky. The early symptoms of amyloidosis are often sneaky and very general. They tend to come on gradually and it's easy to mistake them for other, more common things. One of the most common symptoms is fatigue, but it's not just regular tiredness. It's more intense and persistent, almost debilitating. Another common complaint is shortness of breath, even with minimal activity. Some people also experience feeling full really quickly after eating, which can lead to unintentional weight loss, and then there's unexplained swelling, particularly in the ankles and legs.

Mark: 8:34

Those all sound like things that could have a lot of different causes. Are there any symptoms that are more specific to particular organs being affected?

Rachel: 8:41

Right. Because amyloid can deposit in pretty much any organ, the more specific symptoms depend on where the deposits are building up. For example, if the heart is involved, which is called cardiac amyloidosis, people might develop an irregular heartbeat that can cause palpitations or dizziness. They might also experience heart failure, which leads to increased breathlessness, fatigue and fluid retention.

Mark: 9:04

Oh, wow.

Rachel: 9:05

When the kidneys are affected, one of the first signs is often having a lot of protein in your urine and as it progresses, it can lead to kidney failure, which causes symptoms like decreased urine output and worsening swelling.

Mark: 9:17

And we talked about the nervous system earlier too. What are the signs of that being affected?

Rachel: 9:20

Yeah, so when amyloid deposits affect the peripheral nerves, it causes peripheral neuropathy. That often starts with numbness, tingling or a burning pain in your fingers and toes, and it gradually moves upwards.

Mark: 9:34

Oh, I see.

Rachel: 9:34

Sometimes it can affect the autonomic nervous system too, which controls things like blood pressure digestion and bladder and bowel function, so people might have problems with those as well.

Mark: 9:43

Wow. So it can really manifest in a lot of different ways.

Rachel: 9:46

Yeah.

Mark: 9:46

That makes early diagnosis even harder, right.

Rachel: 9:48

Exactly. That's why it's so important to be aware of these subtle signs and to consider amyloidosis as a possibility, especially if someone has several seemingly unrelated symptoms that just don't go away. It's all about connecting the dots.

Mark: 10:01

So let's say, someone does have some of these red flags. What's the process for actually diagnosing amyloidosis?

Rachel: 10:08

Well, it usually starts with a good medical history and a thorough physical exam. It starts with a good medical history and a thorough physical exam. The doctor will be looking for patterns in the symptoms and any physical findings that might suggest amyloidosis, like enlarged organs or protein in the urine.

Mark: 10:22

Okay, and then what?

Rachel: 10:23

If there's enough suspicion, the doctor will order some more specialized tests, like your Hopkins Medicine source mentioned, this often includes imaging of the heart, such as echocardiograms and cardiac MRIs. Those can show the structure and function of the heart and look for signs of amyloid deposits. Blood and urine tests are also important. They can help identify any abnormal proteins that might be a sign of amyloidosis. For instance, there are specific blood tests for the abnormal light chains in AL amyloidosis and tests that measure the stability of transtheratin in ATTR amyloidosis.

Mark: 10:57

Right, but ultimately, to confirm the diagnosis, you need to actually look at the tissues directly, don't you?

Rachel: 11:02

That's right. The gold standard for diagnosis is a tissue biopsy. They take a small sample of tissue and examine it under a microscope to see if there are those characteristic amyloid deposits. Okay, the site of the biopsy depends on which organs they think might be affected. Sometimes they can do a relatively non-invasive biopsy of abdominal fat or bone marrow, but in other cases they need to take a biopsy from a specific organ like the heart, kidney or a nerve makes sense.

Mark: 11:28

You need to actually see the amyloid to be sure. And what about genetic testing? What is that used?

Rachel: 11:33

genetic testing is especially important if they suspect hereditary amyloidosis based on family history or the type of amylase protein found in the biopsy. Finding the specific genetic mutation can confirm the diagnosis, pinpoint the exact subtype of hereditary amylidosis and provide valuable information for other family members as well.

Mark: 11:53

So it's a multi-step process starting with clinical suspicion, then moving to specialized tests and often ending with a biopsy for confirmation, and genetic testing plays a key role in some cases, and I imagine the sooner you start this process the better.

Rachel: 12:08

Absolutely. The earlier you catch it, the earlier you can start treatment and the better the chances of a good outcome.

Mark: 12:13

Right. So let's say someone is diagnosed with amyloidosis.

Rachel: 12:16

Yeah.

Mark: 12:16

What are the long-term complications and how is it managed?

Rachel: 12:19

As your sources explained, the big concern is that those amyloid deposits can cause serious, even life-threatening, damage to your organs over time. The heart and kidneys are particularly vulnerable. In cardiac amyloidosis, the heart muscle stiffens, which can lead to heart failure. That means the heart can't pump blood effectively anymore. It can also cause irregular heart rhythms and problems with the heart's electrical system. Also cause irregular heart rhythms and problems with the heart's electrical system, and when the kidneys are involved, they lose their ability to filter waste products from your blood, which can eventually lead to kidney failure. If that happens, people might need dialysis or a kidney transplant, and while it's less common, amyloid deposits can also affect the central nervous system, leading to a whole other set of problems.

Mark: 13:02

So the main worry is the ongoing damage to these vital organs.

Rachel: 13:06

Exactly, and that's why prompt and appropriate treatment is so crucial. The treatment plan depends a lot on the specific type of amyloidosis. For example, with AL amyloidosis, where the problem is those abnormal plasma cells in the bone marrow, treatment often involves chemotherapy or other therapies to stop those cells from producing so many abnormal light chains. For ATTR amyloidosis there are now medications called transtheratin stabilizers that can help prevent that protein from misfolding, and in some cases of hereditary ATTR, especially those affecting the liver, a liver transplant might be an option. The liver is the main source of the mutated protein, so replacing it can sometimes stop the disease from progressing. Your NIH source actually goes into quite a bit of detail about all the different treatment approaches.

Mark: 13:52

That's good to know. So there's specific treatments tailored to each type, but what about managing the symptoms and supporting the function of the organs that are already affected?

Rachel: 14:01

That's also a really important part of managing amyloidosis. There are medications to manage symptoms like heart failure, kidney problems and nerve damage. Lifestyle changes can also help.

Mark: 14:11

Okay, like what?

Rachel: 14:12

Well things like dietary adjustments to control fluid retention and support kidney function, and it's really important to monitor organ function regularly with blood tests and imaging to track how the disease is progressing and make sure the treatment plan is still appropriate. Patients are also encouraged to be vigilant and report any new or worsening symptoms to their doctor right away and in cases where organ failures advance. The NIH mentions that organ transplantation might be a possibility for some people, though it's not suitable for everyone.

Mark: 14:41

So it's a multifaceted approach involving treatments targeted at the specific type of amyloidosis, supportive care for the affected organs, lifestyle modifications and careful ongoing monitoring.

Rachel: 14:53

Exactly. It's a lot to juggle, but it's all about maximizing quality of life for people with amyloidosis.

Mark: 14:59

Well, we've covered a lot of ground today in our deep dive into amyloidosis. To sum it all up, it's a condition caused by misfolded proteins building up and damaging various organs. We've gone over the main types AL, attr and hereditary and the often subtle and varied symptoms which the Mayo Clinic describes in detail. We've also talked about the steps involved in diagnosing amyloidosis, with insights from Hopkins Medicine and the potential for serious complications.

Rachel: 15:25

Right.

Mark: 15:26

But the good news is that there are increasingly effective treatments available, as highlighted by our NIH sources.

Rachel: 15:32

Absolutely. That's a great summary. The main takeaway for our listeners to remember that even seemingly unconnected symptoms can be related and should be checked out by a doctor. While a potential for organ damage is real, advancements in treatment mean that there's hope for slowing or even stopping the disease in its tracks.

Mark: 15:49

And to you, our listener. If you have any persistent unexplained symptoms that are worrying you, please don't hesitate to talk to your doctor. Early detection is the most powerful tool we have for managing conditions like amyloidosis and protecting your long-term health.

Rachel: 16:02

Couldn't agree more. It's always better to be safe than sorry.

Mark: 16:06

Thanks for joining us for this deep dive into amyloidosis.

Rachel: 16:09

My pleasure. It was a great discussion.

Mark: 16:11

And a huge thank you to you for bringing this topic to our attention and for sharing your research with us. It's inspiring to see someone so proactively engaged with their health.

Nicolette: 16:20

Well, thank you.

Mark: 16:27

As we wrap up, I want to leave you with a thought to ponder. Given how vague the early symptoms of amyloidosis can be, how much could we improve our overall health and catch serious illnesses earlier if we were more aware of these subtle signs and felt comfortable talking openly with our doctors? Maybe take some time to explore the resources available from organizations like the Mayo Clinic or the NIH to learn more. Until next time, keep asking those important questions and stay curious about your health.

Rachel: 16:51

That's great advice. Knowledge is power, as they say.

Mark: 16:54

Exactly, and with that we'll say goodbye for now See you next time.

Nicolette: 17:01

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